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Starting: Thu Jan 3 09:25:01 EST 2008
Ending: Mon Dec 22 13:13:15 EST 2008
Messages: 313

• [SC-L] Code Testing Tools Could Be Acquisition Targets in '08   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] secappdev 2008   Johan Peeters
• [SC-L] ENISA issue on Software Security   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] Darkreading: Getting Started   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] Darkreading: Getting Started   Gunnar Peterson
    • [SC-L] Darkreading: Getting Started   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] Darkreading: Getting Started   Andy Steingruebl
    • [SC-L] Darkreading: Getting Started   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] Darkreading: Getting Started   Jim Manico
    • [SC-L] Darkreading: Getting Started   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Open Source Code Contains Security Holes -- Open Source -- InformationWeek   Kenneth Van Wyk
  • [SC-L] Open Source Code Contains Security Holes -- Open Source -- InformationWeek   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] Open Source Code Contains Security Holes -- Open Source -- InformationWeek   Steven M. Christey
• [SC-L] XKCD on sane build environments   Benjamin Tomhave
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet: Ed Amoroso   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] Silver Bullet: Ed Amoroso   Ignacio Evans
• [SC-L] Programming language comparison?   Vincent Verhagen
  • [SC-L] Programming language comparison?   Robert A. Martin
    • [SC-L] Programming language comparison?   Steven M. Christey
      • [SC-L] Programming language comparison?   ljknews
      • [SC-L] Programming language comparison?   Steven M. Christey
      • [SC-L] Programming language comparison?   Robert C. Seacord
      • [SC-L] Programming language comparison?   ljknews
      • [SC-L] Programming language comparison?   Pete Shanahan
      • [SC-L] Programming language comparison?   Shea, Brian A
  • [SC-L] Programming language comparison?   Craig E. Ward
  • [SC-L] Programming language comparison?   Vincent Verhagen
• [SC-L] Static analysis tool exposition - call for participation   Romain Gaucher
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet: spaf transcript   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Tech Insight: The Buzz Around Fuzzing - Application and Perimeter Security News Analysis - Dark Reading   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] a little coding humor...   Benjamin Tomhave
• [SC-L] CALL FOR TOPICS-PAPERS - OWASP AppSec Conference Europe 2008 - May 22-23, Belgium   Sebastien Deleersnyder
• [SC-L] Darkreading: code scanning   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Michael Howard's Web Log : Introducing SAFECode   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] SDLCs and x.509 at OWASP Belgium, 4 March 2008   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] SC-L Administrivia: How does the readership feel about sponsorships?   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet 23   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] PCI: Boon or bust for software security?   Kenneth Van Wyk
  • [SC-L] PCI: Boon or bust for software security?   Bruce Ediger
    • [SC-L] PCI: Boon or bust for software security?   Andy Murren
      • [SC-L] PCI: Boon or bust for software security?   Benjamin Tomhave
• [SC-L] Secure development after release   Andy Murren
  • [SC-L] Secure development after release   bugtraq at cgisecurity.net
• [SC-L] CFP: W2SP 2008: Web 2.0 Security and Privacy 2008   Larry Koved
• [SC-L] Secure Coding Books   Lawson, David L
  • [SC-L] Secure Coding Books   Jim Manico
    • [SC-L] Secure Coding Books   Sebastien Deleersnyder
      • [SC-L] Secure Coding Books   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] Secure Coding Books   Goertzel, Karen [USA]
  • [SC-L] Secure Coding Books   Neil Daswani
  • [SC-L] Secure Coding Books   Robert C. Seacord
  • [SC-L] Secure Coding Books   Dean H. Saxe
• [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Benjamin Tomhave
  • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   William L. Anderson
    • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Benjamin Tomhave
      • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Kenneth Van Wyk
      • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Johan Peeters
      • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Gunnar Peterson
      • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   John Steven
      • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Arian J. Evans
      • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Benjamin Tomhave
      • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Arian J. Evans
      • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Mike Lyman
      • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Arian J. Evans
      • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Andy Steingruebl
    • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Arian J. Evans
      • [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Andrew van der Stock
• [SC-L] implementable process level secure development thoughts   Andy Murren
  • [SC-L] implementable process level secure development thoughts   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] implementable process level secure development thoughts   Wall, Kevin
• [SC-L] implementable process level secure development thoughts   Roman H.
  • [SC-L] implementable process level secure development thoughts   Andy Murren
• [SC-L] Secure Coding Books   Bennett, Jason
• [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Andy Steingruebl
• [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Software security definition(s)   Arian J. Evans
  • [SC-L] Software security definition(s)   Mike Lyman
• [SC-L] CERT C Secure Coding Standard - last call for reviewers   Robert C. Seacord
• [SC-L] Secure Development World ?   Gadi Evron
  • [SC-L] Secure Development World ?   Steven M. Christey
    • [SC-L] Secure Development World ?   Gadi Evron
• [SC-L] Secure Development World ?   Robert A. Martin
• [SC-L] Software Security Bibliography   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Bringing two threads together: PCI & SXSW   Epstein, Jeremy
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet turns 2: Mary Ann Davidson   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] Silver Bullet turns 2: Mary Ann Davidson   Andrew van der Stock
• [SC-L] 0x000000.com SuiGenchi Demonstration   Benjamin Tomhave
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet turns 2: Mary Ann Davidson   Stephen Craig Evans
  • [SC-L] Silver Bullet turns 2: Mary Ann Davidson   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] Silver Bullet turns 2: Mary Ann Davidson   Arian J. Evans
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet turns 2: Mary Ann Davidson   Arian J. Evans
• [SC-L] Invitation - OWASP AppSec Europe May 19-22 2008 - Belgium   Sebastien Deleersnyder
• [SC-L] InformIT: budgeting for software security   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] InformIT: budgeting for software security   Stephen Craig Evans
    • [SC-L] InformIT: budgeting for software security   Jim Manico
      • [SC-L] InformIT: budgeting for software security   Wall, Kevin
      • [SC-L] InformIT: budgeting for software security   ljknews
      • [SC-L] InformIT: budgeting for software security   Jim Manico
      • [SC-L] InformIT: budgeting for software security   Dave Aronson
      • [SC-L] InformIT: budgeting for software security   Stephen Craig Evans
      • [SC-L] InformIT: budgeting for software security   Kenneth Van Wyk
      • [SC-L] InformIT: budgeting for software security   Stephen Craig Evans
• [SC-L] quick question - SXSW   Stephen Craig Evans
• [SC-L] InformIT: budgeting for software security   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet 25: Jon Swartz   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Lateral SQL injection paper   Kenneth Van Wyk
  • [SC-L] Lateral SQL injection paper   Jim Manico
    • [SC-L] Lateral SQL injection paper   Joe Teff
      • [SC-L] Lateral SQL injection paper   Steven M. Christey
      • [SC-L] Lateral SQL injection paper   Arian J. Evans
      • [SC-L] Lateral SQL injection paper   Mary and Glenn Everhart
  • [SC-L] Lateral SQL injection paper   Arian J. Evans
  • [SC-L] Lateral SQL injection paper   Pascal Meunier
• [SC-L] GCC and pointer overflows [LWN.net]   Kenneth Van Wyk
  • [SC-L] GCC and pointer overflows [LWN.net]   Robert C. Seacord
  • [SC-L] GCC and pointer overflows [LWN.net]   der Mouse
  • [SC-L] GCC and pointer overflows [LWN.net]   Epstein, Jeremy
    • [SC-L] GCC and pointer overflows [LWN.net]   ljknews
    • [SC-L] GCC and pointer overflows [LWN.net]   Leichter, Jerry
      • [SC-L] GCC and pointer overflows [LWN.net]   ljknews
• [SC-L] Reminder: W2SP 2008: Web 2.0 Security and Privacy 2008   Larry Koved
• [SC-L] Microsoft's message at RSA   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] Microsoft's message at RSA   Gunnar Peterson
    • [SC-L] Microsoft's message at RSA   Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
  • [SC-L] Microsoft's message at RSA   Andy Steingruebl
    • [SC-L] Microsoft's message at RSA   Gary McGraw
      • [SC-L] Microsoft's message at RSA   Andy Steingruebl
      • [SC-L] Microsoft's message at RSA   Gunnar Peterson
• [SC-L] MetriCon 3.0   Gunnar Peterson
• [SC-L] Invitation - OWASP AppSec Europe May 19-22 2008 - Belgium   Sebastien Deleersnyder
• [SC-L] GCC and pointer overflows   karger at watson.ibm.com
• [SC-L] No general-purpose computer, or everything under surveillance?   David A. Wheeler
  • [SC-L] No general-purpose computer, or everything under surveillance?   Andy Steingruebl
  • [SC-L] No general-purpose computer, or everything under surveillance?   Gunnar Peterson
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet 26: Adam Shostack   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] informIT: web 3.0 security   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Coverity to Buy Codefast   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet (transcripts)   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] DistriNet Research Group   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] new book   Jason Grembi
• [SC-L] Search Security video   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] informIT: DMCA   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Security Bonuses for Vista Programmers   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] OWASP: The Application Security Desk Reference   McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT)
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet: Gunnar Peterson   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Any SC-Lers going to FIRST in Vancouver next week?   Kenneth Van Wyk
  • [SC-L] International Symposium on Engineering Secure Software and Systems (ESSoS)   Brian Chess
• [SC-L] Code Testing Tools Could Be Acquisition Targets in '08   Tom Brennan
• [SC-L] InternetNews Realtime IT News - Merchants Cope With PCI Compliance   Kenneth Van Wyk
  • [SC-L] InternetNews Realtime IT News - Merchants Cope With PCI Compliance   Gunnar Peterson
    • [SC-L] InternetNews Realtime IT News - Merchants Cope With PCI Compliance   Michael Gavin
      • [SC-L] InternetNews Realtime IT News - Merchants Cope With PCI Compliance   Stephen Craig Evans
      • [SC-L] InternetNews Realtime IT News - Merchants Cope With PCI Compliance   Michael Gavin
    • [SC-L] InternetNews Realtime IT News - Merchants Cope With PCI Compliance   Arian J. Evans
  • [SC-L] InternetNews Realtime IT News - Merchants Cope With PCI Compliance   ljknews
  • [SC-L] InternetNews Realtime IT News - Merchants Cope With PCICompliance   Chris Wysopal
• [SC-L] Root Canal Treatment vs Source Code Review   Jonathan Leffler
  • [SC-L] Root Canal Treatment vs Source Code Review   Mary and Glenn Everhart
    • [SC-L] Root Canal Treatment vs Source Code Review   ljknews
• [SC-L] July 23: Stanford Emerging Threats and Defenses Symposium   Neil Daswani
• [SC-L] Google opens RatProxy security code - SC Magazine US   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] online game security   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Animations for training   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet: ches   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] application assessment factories   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] Interesting academic job announcement   Goertzel, Karen [USA]
• [SC-L] Goodbye to faulty software?   Jeremy Epstein
• [SC-L] Administrivia   Kenneth Van Wyk
  • [SC-L] Application Security Conference   Tom Brennan
  • [SC-L] Conference Announcement   Tom Brennan
• [SC-L] SB transcript: Shostack   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] New podcast: Techtarget   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] software security growing (informIT)   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet 29: Dennis Fisher   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Denial of Service Survey   Tyler Reguly
• [SC-L] Survey   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] Survey   ljknews
    • [SC-L] Survey   Paco Hope
      • [SC-L] Survey   ljknews
      • [SC-L] Survey   Jim Manico
      • [SC-L] Survey   Stephen Craig Evans
      • [SC-L] Survey   Jim Manico
      • [SC-L] Survey   ljknews
      • [SC-L] Survey   Paco Hope
      • [SC-L] Survey   Jim Manico
• [SC-L] Survey   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Survey   ljknews
  • [SC-L] Survey   Romain Gaucher
• [SC-L] Survey thread killer   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] Building Secure Web Applications Training in Minneapolis   Gunnar Peterson
• [SC-L] RUXCON 2008 Final Call For Papers   cfp at ruxcon.org.au
• [SC-L] Free CBT: PCI DSS for Developers   Roman H.
• [SC-L] News flurry: informIT, Java Rules, and Microsoft's SDL Pro network   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] SD West CFP   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet transcript Cheswick   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] informIT feed   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet: Ken van Wyk   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] Silver Bullet   McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT)
    • [SC-L] Silver Bullet   Gary McGraw
      • [SC-L] Silver Bullet   Gunnar Peterson
      • [SC-L] Silver Bullet   Gary McGraw
      • [SC-L] Silver Bullet   McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT)
    • [SC-L] Robert Seacord on the CERT C Secure Coding Standard   Robert Seacord
• [SC-L] Secure Coding Standards   anon sec
  • [SC-L] Secure Coding Standards   Bedirhan Urgun
    • [SC-L] Secure Coding Standards   anon sec
  • [SC-L] Secure Coding Standards   Jim Manico
    • [SC-L] Secure Coding Standards   Jim Manico
      • [SC-L] Secure Coding Standards   anon sec
    • [SC-L] Secure Coding Standards   Rohit Lists
  • [SC-L] Secure Coding Standards   Cassidy, Colin (GE Infra, Energy)
  • [SC-L] Secure Coding Standards   Robert C. Seacord
  • [SC-L] Secure Coding Standards   Robert Martin
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] AdaCore - Home > GNAT Pro > The Tokeneer Project   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] Human Elements of Security Survey   Sammy Migues
  • [SC-L] Human Elements of Security Survey   ljknews
• [SC-L] Fwd: Join us in Portugal for the biggest concentration of OWASP training so far!   Sebastien Deleersnyder
• [SC-L] (fwd) informIT: A Software Security Framework   Kenneth Van Wyk
  • [SC-L] (fwd) informIT: A Software Security Framework   McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT)
  • [SC-L] (fwd) informIT: A Software Security Framework   Kenneth Van Wyk
    • [SC-L] The CERT C Secure Coding Standard   Robert Seacord
      • [SC-L] FINAL NOTICE: OWASP Portugal EU Summit   Dave Wichers
• [SC-L] (fwd) informIT: A Software Security Framework   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] cat out of bag: article to be published in Computer in dec   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Cat out of the bag?   Jonathan Leffler
  • [SC-L] Cat out of the bag?   ljknews
    • [SC-L] Cat out of the bag?   Gunnar Peterson
• [SC-L] Cat out of the bag?   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Wysopal says tipping point reached...   Benjamin Tomhave
  • [SC-L] Wysopal says tipping point reached...   Steven M. Christey
• [SC-L] OWASP EU Summit Portugal 08: join us via WebEx on today's presentations!   Dinis Cruz
• [SC-L] Educational web site "hack this" announced   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] Language agnostic secure coding guidelines/standards?   Pete Werner
  • [SC-L] Language agnostic secure coding guidelines/standards?   AF
  • [SC-L] Language agnostic secure coding guidelines/standards?   McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT)
  • [SC-L] Language agnostic secure coding guidelines/standards?   Andrew van der Stock
    • [SC-L] Language agnostic secure coding guidelines/standards?   John Steven
    • [SC-L] Language agnostic secure coding guidelines/standards?   Steven M. Christey
      • [SC-L] Language agnostic secure coding guidelines/standards?   Gary McGraw
      • [SC-L] Language agnostic secure coding guidelines/standards?   Pete Werner
      • [SC-L] Language agnostic secure coding guidelines/standards?   Dave Wichers
  • [SC-L] Language agnostic secure coding guidelines/standards?   Robert Seacord
• [SC-L] Language agnostic secure coding guidelines/standards?   David A. Wheeler
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet and informIT: Jeremiah Grossman   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] Silver Bullet and informIT: Jeremiah Grossman   Stephen Craig Evans
• [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Romain Gaucher
  • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Dinis Cruz
    • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Mike Lyman
      • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Gary McGraw
      • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Gunnar Peterson
      • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Stephen Craig Evans
      • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Gunnar Peterson
      • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Stephen Craig Evans
      • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Stephen Craig Evans
      • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Gary McGraw
      • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Gunnar Peterson
      • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Andy Steingruebl
      • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   ljknews
      • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Shea, Brian A
      • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Susan Bradley, CPA
      • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Dana Epp
• [SC-L] Opportunity at DTCC   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] Software Assist to Find Least Privilege   Mark Rockman
  • [SC-L] Software Assist to Find Least Privilege   Steven M. Christey
    • [SC-L] Software Assist to Find Least Privilege   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] Software Assist to Find Least Privilege   ljknews
  • [SC-L] Software Assist to Find Least Privilege   Susan Bradley, CPA
  • [SC-L] Software Assist to Find Least Privilege   Pete Werner
• [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Peter G. Neumann
• [SC-L] The problem with (Java's) Security Policy (Was: Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security)   John Wilander
  • [SC-L] The problem with (Java's) Security Policy (Was: Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security)   Rohit Lists
• [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Gunnar Peterson
  • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Stephen Craig Evans
    • [SC-L] Regional differences in software security   Gary McGraw
      • [SC-L] Regional differences in software security   Kenneth Van Wyk
      • [SC-L] Regional differences in software security   Stephen Craig Evans
    • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Susan Bradley
    • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Jerry Leichter
      • [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   Stephen Craig Evans
• [SC-L] Unclassified NSA document on .NET 2.0 Framework Security   ljknews
• [SC-L] How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   Mark Rockman
  • [SC-L] How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   ljknews
  • [SC-L] How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   Stephen Craig Evans
  • [SC-L] How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   Dana Epp
  • [SC-L] How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   Jim Manico
    • [SC-L] How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT)
      • [SC-L] How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   Andrew van der Stock
      • [SC-L] How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   ljknews
  • [SC-L] How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   Stephen Craig Evans
• [SC-L] Introducing my OWASP Summer of Code project, "Securing WebGoat using ModSecurity"   Stephen Craig Evans
  • [SC-L] Introducing my OWASP Summer of Code project, "Securing WebGoat using ModSecurity"   Jim Manico
    • [SC-L] Introducing my OWASP Summer of Code project, "Securing WebGoat using ModSecurity"   Stephen Craig Evans
• [SC-L] FW: How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   Herman Stevens
  • [SC-L] FW: How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   Marcin Wielgoszewski
    • [SC-L] FW: How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   Herman Stevens
      • [SC-L] FW: How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT)
      • [SC-L] FW: How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   Jim Manico
      • [SC-L] FW: How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT)
      • [SC-L] FW: How Can You Tell It Is Written Securely?   McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT)
• [SC-L] Book: Web Security Testing Cookbook   Gary McGraw
• [SC-L] Enhancing the Development Life Cycle to Produce Secure Software   Goertzel, Karen [USA]
• [SC-L] Fwd: ESSoS'09: Call for Participation   Kenneth Van Wyk
• [SC-L] Project announce: The OWASP Source Code Flaws Top 10   Paolo Perego
• [SC-L] top 10 software security surprises   Gary McGraw
  • [SC-L] top 10 software security surprises   Pravir Chandra
  • [SC-L] top 10 software security surprises   Kenneth Van Wyk
    • [SC-L] top 10 software security surprises   Ivan Ristic
    • [SC-L] top 10 software security surprises   Brian Chess
• [SC-L] CWE/SANS Top 25 Most Dangerous Programming Errors   Steven M. Christey
• [SC-L] Silver Bullet: Laurie Williams   Gary McGraw

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